Thanks guys The logo is actually an unused variant DC commissioned from Rian Hughes...it never got published but I think it fit Steph's Batgirl perfectly... so I had to throw it in there I initually wasn't sold on Steph compared to Cassandra or Barb but it was that optimisic, young non-veteran attitude that injected fresh life into Batgirl...I love the DC gotham cast but 99.9 percent of them are hardcore/gritty... it was awesome to see someone who seems niave at first, whom you'd never think could make it as batgirl...and then she actually does! SOLD!
We have to keep hoping that someday we get Steph back in some form. Love your depiction. The facila expression is exactly that determined brightness that Steph brings to the DC universe, an optimism it so desperately needs. Cute logotype too!
IMHO, Stephanie must come back as the Spoiler. Barbara Gordon was and is the only true Batgirl. It's just sad that DC didn't realize earlier. Stephanie was a great Batgirl, and if DC hadn't brought Babs back, i would have supported her title forever, but i grew up on BTAS, and fell in love with Babs as Batgirl. Nothing in the DCU is cooler than the Batgirl-Batman-Jim Gordon-Barbara Gordon-Batgirl circle relationship.
I respectfully disagree. Babs was a good Batgirl, but it wasn't until she became Oracle that she really shined. That role was perfect for her. I feel Steph was the highpoint for Batgirl. (Besides, we already have a redhead as Batwoman.)
...Yeah, because there is a real lack of blondes in the superhero world. Besides, Babs was the redhead of the Bat-family long before Batwoman, so i think that honor has to belong to Babs before anyone else.
I also think Barbara in her role as Oracle always took a backseat to other heroes, and never really shined on her own the way she did as Batgirl in other media. She was always the media favorite Batgirl, so it's no surprise that after DC took characters like Harley Quinn and René Montoya from The Animated Series, that the comics would eventually bring back the Batgirl generations grew up with on TV.
Good points... although I'm fairly sure the original batwoman "Kathy Kane" predated Barb as Batgirl...Barb always seemed like a good character but pretty one dimentional....Dad is Commish...Always trying to prove she's on par wt Robin and Batman...blah...same old same old... Batman can get away with it cause that's his character...on the razors edge of sanity... but characters like Robin and Batgirl always represented a 'sane' version of the batman mentality...so it was interesting to see how those types of personalities co-existed with the "Bat" experience..especially Batgirl as she was the most independant of them all...
I liked the sort of "Batgirl Beyond" relationship Steph and Babs had in Stephanie's comic, but in the end that's only because the most basic idea for me is that Barbara Gordon = Batgirl is the same as Bruce Wayne = Batman.
I actually think the fact that she is Jim Gordon's daughter is a major plus over the other Batgirls, because it creates a thrilling tension between Barbara, Batman, and her father.
Batman story starts with 2 important supporting characters. Alfred, and Jim Gordon. The idea of Batgirl being the daughter of one of Batman's most trusted friends feels like a natural flow of things, as opposed to some completely conjured up plot to launch a character.
Stephanie Brown is definately my 2nd choice Batgirl, but the fact that she already wore 2 different costumes before putting on the Batgirl costume kinda makes her feel like someone who never really becomes the heroine she's dressed up as, because sooner or later she'll drop it for another one.
If she comes back as Spoiler in the DCNU, that's the best thing for her, if you ask me. She made a great Batgirl, and wore the best looking Batgirl costume ever designed, but the role is Barbara's by heart.
Giving Cassandra a new costume and name is also something i think is best, because i always felt like she was waaaaaaaay too dark for Batgirl. When i first saw her, i really didn't get why they would even bother to call her Batgirl, because she's a completely different heroine with a different attitude. I can accept her in her role as the Black Bat.
In that sense, Stephanie was a much more logical progression from Barbara as Batgirl, and that made the comic very good to read. But in the end, i will always prefer Babs as Batgirl over any other.
That's silly, there will always be another Batgirl. The role does NOT belong to Babs, and that's a stupid thing to say. Babs isn't even the first Batgirl, so you can't even say the role was created for her. Don't be ridiculous.
That said, Babs WAS made for Oracle, and I doubt that she'll ever get replace in that role.
As for Cass, she wasn't too dark to be Batgirl because there is no set personality for a mantle, and it's silly to assume that there will be. Cass made a great Batgirl and eventually evolved into Black Bat like Babs evolved into Oracle, you're not supposed to go back because you've moved on from that role.
Sorry, but I have to disagree with you on almost all of your points. Honestly, Babs is my fifth pick for being Batgirl in this order:
1. Steph (her time was cut way too short) 2. New Batgirl 3. Nell (I don't think she should be Batgirl so early, otherwise she'd be at number 2) 4. Cass 5. Babs Unranked. Bette and Helena, because I don't know much about Bette's run as Batgirl and Helena would fit more as Batwoman than Batgirl.
I don't really care if you agree with me or not. The fact is Barbara is the media's absolute favorite Batgirl for 45 years and going, and this is the direct reason why DC brought her back into the comics. Because she's the most famous and recognizable Batgirl.
Babs was not created for Oracle, but the other way around. Oracle was created for Babs. When they paralyzed Babs, they didn't know what to do with her, so they created Oracle as a reason to keep her into the comics.
If you want to get technical , Babs WAS the first Batgirl. Betty Kane was called Bat-Girl not Batgirl, but more importantly, she was deleted from continuity in the 80's with the Crisis on Infinte Earths event that rebooted the comics continuity. In post the post crisis continuity Barbara was the first Batgirl, and Betty Kane/Bat-Girl never even existed. The only thing that's left of her is the post crisis is the reinvented version for the new continuity, Bette Kane/Flamebird. This makes the pre-crisis Bat-Girl a precursor to the Batgirls of the post crisis continuity. Babs didn't take on the mantle of Batgirl from anyone in post crisis the way Cass and Steph did. Barbara is the first Batgirl and the start of the legacy in the modern age of comics. For the origin of Batgirl in the modern age continuity, see the book Batgirl: Year One.
Look, honestly, i loved Stephanie Brown as Batgirl too, and i was also very disappointed that they retired her so soon. To me she was a much better carrier of the legacy than Cass ever was, and i would have loved to have seen Steph become the new Batgirl in cartoons and videogames.
...but for me, the nr:1 Batgirl will always be Barbara, thanks to Batman The Animated Series and the Year One comicbook. The only one who i can accept replacing Stephanie so soon like this is Barbara Gordon. Also because i'm no fan of Batman's sidekicks being replaced with different people all the time like with the Robins. In that sense, i feel like Batgirl is now fixed from the whole legacy drama, and i think it's pretty clear that this was the motivation for DC too.
"The fact is Barbara is the media's absolute favorite Batgirl for 45 years and going, and this is the direct reason why DC brought her back into the comics. Because she's the most famous and recognizable Batgirl."
Y'know, I really, really hate this argument. Barbara is the media's favourite Batgirl because she's the only one they know about, not because Cass and Steph are in any way inferior as Batgirls. If DC had ever bothered to promote them outside comics (or even IN comics) to the same extent as Babs, I doubt she'd dominate the media as much. I'm not sure that the people behind DC cartoons, etc have even HEARD that there's two other Batgirls. On the other hand, what I AM pretty sure of is that the main reason she's back is because she was Batgirl when Didio et al became fans...
Oh, and Oracle was a step forward for Barbara (better developed, stronger, smarter, did a lot more good in-universe; plus far more competent than New 52 Babs); Spoiler will probably be a step back for Steph (Spoiler = mistrusted, often barely competent sidekick of a sidekick; Batgirl = respected member of the Batfamily.)
"The fact is Barbara is the media's absolute favorite Batgirl for 45 years"
No, DC just rejects any pitches with any other Batgirls.
"If you want to get technical , Babs WAS the first Batgirl. Betty Kane was called Bat-Girl not Batgirl..."
Oh, you're one of those people. I might as well just stop while I'm ahead, but first...
"but more importantly, she was deleted from continuity in the 80's"
1. That doesn't matter, she still was first. 2. And was put back into canon as of Batman Inc. #8.
Okay, I'm done please don't respond, I've already had this conversation before. I say something rational, you say something fanboyish, I point out your fallacies, and you repeat yourself. Yeah, no thanks.